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The following text was submitted by Eddie from Sweden and the links at the bottom come from OJAS in the USA.

Welcome to any newcomers who find this thread, for Christ's sake.. READ THIS!
...and save yourself a lot of homework and/or grief

SOME GENERAL INFO ABOUT RUSSIAN GIRLS, AND HOW TO SPOT RUSSIAN DATING SCAMMERS:

The vast majority of Russian dating scammers are not women at all, but actually men, mostly working in small gangs in or around Yoshkar Ola, in Mari El republic, sometimes in Chuvashia. It's virtually guaranteed that the girls in these scam pics aren't involved because the scammers steal their pics from the internet or pay unsuspecting friends for them, or buy and exchange them on scammer websites. (Once a scammer even admitted to me that he stole all his pics from army-of-brides.com and mamba.ru ).

Most scammers are VERY lazy and looking for quick cash. They use email extractor programs to get your mail addresses (if you don't have a profile on a dating site, that is)...
http://www.webextractor.com/
and copied form mails and spam programs on automatic reply, very often the BAT!, which can personalize small parts of each letter.
http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/


They mostly won't read your letters until after the money letter because they don't have time, ie because they're scamming, or trying to scam, as many guys as they can (economies of scale).....and also because they're semi-literate losers who can't speak much English anyway. IN OTHER WORDS, you can write any crap in your replies and they won't react, they're only interested when they're curious to know if you've taken the bait after the money letter. A girl is only involved either occasionally to phone a guy up, especially if he's suspicious, or to pick up the loot at Western Union, with a false ID of course!

More recently, the majority of Russian scammers have started using proxy servers or forged IPs to hide their locations so ALL YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS TRACE THEIR IP ADDRESS!

If, by any chance, you don't believe any of this, please read: http://www.cheboksaryrussia.net/russian-scams/russian-scammers.html

So....if several or more of the following scam signs apply to your Boris (the beautiful Russian 'girl' that is supposedly writing to you), resist the temptation to help 'the poor girl' by sending her money. You're really writing to a sleazy Russian guy sitting in a smoky room in Yoshkar Ola, with a bunch of other sleazy guys spamming indiscriminately on laptops .

  • 'girl' writes to you first on a dating site...especially a free one (or an email appears out of nowhere in your mailbox). Real Russian girls are rarely so bold as to write to you first. (unless you're obviously very attractive or rich :))) They will often reply to your mails, but rarely take the initiative. It's the man who does the chasing in Russia. Plus, if they're looking for a partner, they generally prefer him to be Russian speaking and live in Russia. Much more convenient!

  • doesn't answer direct questions (sometimes factual mistakes in the letter). Her replies should be exactly that...replies...however short they are.

  • girl's much too young for you (or too good to be true/looks like a model/porno star)....although I have noticed a recent tendency for some scammers to use photos of slightly 'less attractive' girls as well.

  • girl has some far-fetched excuses for you not visiting her in Russia (criminal city, not the Russian custom, terrorism, it's her dream to come to your country, etc). ALL BULLSHIT!! Actually, the normal way to meet a Russian girl is to visit her in her city first. Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc. They should usually want to meet you first before they gallivant off to your country.

  • scammers rarely have children, but most of the real Russian women I've ever met on the internet did (except for Moscow career girls). It's often the reason that they're looking for a partner.

  • photos are too revealing (can't be a respectable girl). Respectability is very important to most Russian women (especially Moscow career girls). They're hardly likely to send a half-naked photo to a virtual stranger on the internet. Think about it!

  • most of the pics are old and a little bit faded with a curiously grainy quality that soon becomes quite easy to recognise (overuse?). Again a scammer admitted to me that low-quality photos are a key factor in his scamming. I found this curious because a serious Russian girl who's looking for a partner very often saves up and goes to a professional to have a studio set done (often corny ones posing with a chair etc), and/or borrows a digicam at least (dates should also be on the photos you receive). My fiancée did it. Russian girls aren't all that poor anymore, and if they seriously want to leave Russia, they know that posting cheap pics will only attract cheap guys.

  • GIRL CLAIMS NOT TO HAVE A MOBILE PHONE. Very unlikely!!! fer f***'s sake.....do you know a single girl without a mobile phone? Even poor Russian girls can't do without one, they're much cheaper than in Europe and a Megafon telephone card doesn't cost that much either. You should be able to call her whenever you want. On the other hand, not having a landline or a desktop/laptop is very common.

  • very long rambling/ecstatic form letters with a strange format, punctation and layout written in scamlish. (world's worst Babelfish translation)

  • writes long letters everyday in English. How does she have time to write those long letters if she's working? And if she doesn't have a job, how can she afford a computer + internet connection? Even Internet cafés are relatively expensive in Russia. Anyway, most Russians outside Moscow can hardly speak a word of English. (What's the point of finding a girl you can't communicate with, at least on a basic level?) PLUS.. if she can't speak English, why does she have a non-cyrillic email account like gmail or yahoo? Most real Russians use mail.ru, yandex.ru or inbox.ru....though hotmail and yahoo are acceptable if she'll chat with you on messenger (preferably with a webcam).

  • falls in 'love' very quickly. Don't let your ego, kind heart, loneliness or lust pull the wool over your eyes. She doesn't really know you. You could be an axe murderer for all she knows. As I mentioned, Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc.

  • uses a proxy server to hide his/her location, ie a SOCKS server / GPRS Internet. if you can't trace 'her' IP, it's 100% scam.
    THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO IS TRACE HER IP ADDRESS. In fact, it's the only thing you need to do really.

    MOST IMPORTANT...if you get this far:

  • she asks for money for a tourist 'visa' and/or maybe tickets, ignoring the fact that IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SINGLE, POOR RUSSIAN GIRL TO GET A TOURIST VISA TO A WESTERN COUNTRY!
    Most Russian girls outside Moscow and St Petersburg are quite poor, and immigration control would consider them an overstay risk. They would never let be let into your country without a healthy bank account.

    She can get a SPONSORED visa with your help, but then she needs a personal letter of invitation from you, a copy of your passport, a proof of your residence in your home country, a completed sponsor's application form (also from you)....not including the documents that she has to fill in herself. She also needs a job in Russia, a letter from her employer and insurance. All of these documents she has to drop off at your national embassy in Moscow WITH PREPAID TICKETS and wait about 10 working days. These are the rules for the Schengen countries anyway...the USA and Canada are almost as, if not more, complicated. Anyway, a normal TOURIST visa + travel costs + hotel rooms would set her back 2000+ US dollars for a trip to the US. She should be asking you for a lot of money! Why should it be so easy for a gorgeous sexy Russian girl just to jump on a plane and fall into bed with you? Anyway, no respectable Russian girl would ask directly for money, but might accept some if you insisted.

NB...you should check your national embassy website in Moscow for visa prices and procedures.
UK: http://www.ukvac-ru.com/document.aspx
USA: http://moscow.usembassy.gov/consular/consular.php?record_id=reqvdocs

There are many variations on the scams, some quite slight. Some scammers claim to have a visa already and need money for tickets, a last-minute medical examination, etcetc. Some claim that their mother needs an operation, etcetc. A few more patient and professional scammers will take months before they hit you with the money letter (though if you follow my tips, you should be able to spot the scammers before then). There are even a few real girls scamming, and professional gold-diggers (mostly in the Ukraine). One or two of them are very bold, and not even afraid to use their true identities. These scammers are harder to spot, and there is no easy way to identify them, all you can do is use your instincts and common sense, and DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

and, of course, a golden rule: DON'T SEND MONEY...unless you're 100% sure she's real.

Another ground rule: if you are looking for a Russian wife/partner, you must be prepared to travel to Russia to meet her. You also need to behave generously towards her; after all, you need to prove that you can support here (and her kids) if she migrates to your country. But if she turns out to be a professional gold-digger, which has never happened to me personally or anyone I know (but I know it does happen), you should try to be philosophical and treat it as an exotic trip to a foreign country, have fun anyway, and try not to waste too much money on her.

There are actually hundreds of perfectly nice Russian girls in Russia but you have to be prepared to go and get them. Chercher la femme. It certainly worked for me.




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2013-05-05, 05:03:03
~Bax! from United States  
...Well, here's one of them using the porn stripper
Andi Land's Pics.

Alias, Mercy Swatson
Box 25 Cape Coast, Ghana, W.Africa 00233
IM, swatsonbaby2010 -Gives the True love story,
asking $158.oo for passport, plus travel expences.

From Twitter;
Andi Land ‏@TheRealAndiLand 3 May More scams from Ghana... Stay smart & don't be a victim!! RT @ScamSurvivors Scammers using stolen images of Andi Land http://www.scamsurv..tA.twitter

I found this on the other site.
It's the IM pic being used now but they have many of course.
I'm happy to finally post this one. It's a very patient and convincing thief.
Wish I could post the real ones photo here.









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2013-05-09, 22:30:02
~Bax! from United States  

Wednesday, May 8, 2013
Help! Idleness is killing Nigerians
By IKENNA EMEWU
Abuja Metro asked the president of the Trade Union Congress (TUC), Comrade Peter Esele,
growing of unemployment

'I insist that the reason many Nigerians can't get themselves jobs is because they have no power supply to sustain such job because before they could start any small business, they must incur so much cost to generate power and at last they are weighed down.
'The next constraint is the greed of the governments that invent all manner of taxes against the few companies that manage to survive. From the local government to the federal government, the entrepreneur in Nigeria is a victim of multiple taxation and that does not in any way encourage growth or the provision of jobs for the citizens.
But what the government ensures and has a duty to create is the right environment for the rest of the citizens and the economy operators to create jobs for others and themselves,' he reasoned.

World Bank's figure within the period means the actual unemployment rate would be about 32.77%, some 42 million persons in raw figure as at 2011.



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2013-05-14, 13:38:32
~Bax! from United States  
I feel that if this technique works here it will soon be applied to internet dating. ~Bax! May2013

The Better Business Bureau says that a new utility bill scam is popping up throughout the U.S. and Canada. And it involves an approach to get people to part with their money that's been growing in popularity over the past couple of years: prepaid debit cards.

The BBB reports that scammers are calling people and claiming to work for a local electric, water or gas company. The callers tell people that they're late on a utility bill and that their service will be cut off if they don't pay immediately. Then they instruct people to purchase a prepaid debit card to pay their bill and call them back with the card number. Thieves then drain the value from the card.

Scammers have turned to prepaid debit cards recently because wire transfer services have increased their fraud detection systems -- making it more difficult for them to use this once-popular method of stealing money from people. Scammers also like prepaid debit cards because they don't have to show a photo ID to collect or spend money on the cards.

For help spotting a utility scam, the BBB offers these tips:
It's a red flag if you are asked to pay by prepaid debit card.
Watch out for high-pressure tactics, such as threats to cut off.
Do not let the person in your home if you did not schedule a service appointment.

Also, a utility bill scam that began last year has resurfaced have received reports from customers who have received calls claiming that the federal goverment will help pay their electric bills.

2013-05-15, 18:35:50
~Bax! from United States  
...OJAS,
*I don't quite understand what I've found here but I am sure that you
see why. A connection between Ohio, USA. and 234 is puzzling me now.*

IP-PBX
The advent and popularity of voice over Internet protocol (VOiP) networks have resulted in completely digital PBX systems that use digital technology and Internet protocol (IP) to route phone conversations to the proper telephone handset. IP-PBX systems are less expensive than traditional PBX systems and are much easier to configure. An additional advantage of an IP-based PBX is that the system can support traditional telephone handsets or software-based telephones. With a software-based telephone, a user plugs a headset into a computer and uses a virtual telephone to dial and receive telephone calls. Another advantage of an IP-based PBX is the ability to transmit calls internationally over the Internet, thereby avoiding long-distance charges. The advent of IP-PBX technology has allowed companies to have entire call centers in areas with lower labor costs.

Access Direct 877-587-6900
AccessDirect, a leading service provider of hosted PBX system, offers Ohio 234 local telephone numbers as part of its PBX phone system. We can help you establish a local business presence in the important business locations in Ohio through our local telephone numbers. Calls to your official local numbers will be transferred to our PBX system, and then diverted to your present location in real time. We can easily route your calls to any phone number, at any location without charging long distance call rates.

*What is this? Does it have anything to do with the numbers that we are encountering?*
2013-05-15, 21:31:30
Miss Marple from United States  
Bax ,I know it is very easy to get confused by all these phone numbers,it could be spoofed phone numbers by Nigerian scammers, as i know mugu loves number ´+234 in every way ,they often pretends to come from Maryland US and there is actually a place in Lagos, Nigeria a Maryland also, it is easy for the scammers to remember Maryland ,lazy scammers..LOL ..but this 877 number is connected very often with scams also ...so i would not be surprised if mugu has something to do with this....added some links on phone numbers to my thread if you have not seen them before ...

http://www.delphifa..#comments

http://www.delphifa..#comments

Ghana Mobile +23320, +23324, +23327, +23328
Ghana Landline +233

Nigeria Lagos +2341
Nigeria Mobile +23490, +234703, +234802, +234803, +234804, +234805, +234806, +234807, +234808
Nigeria Landline +234

http://www.countryc..odes.html

http://800notes.com..4-802-8488
2013-05-16, 07:46:08
Bax from United States  
...Thank You Miss. Marple,

I can't make out if this supplier stays in country or if it is
what it looks like. The description says; link to any number, in
any location, in real time. If so it is potentially another buy-out
and a huge portion of the Nigerian connection! If this home location
is in Ohio, it is under U.S. lawful jurisdiction and punishable by all
U.S. law! I'm sure that the authorities are aware by required business
licensing and applications. So, this only raises more questions!
2013-05-16, 14:50:40
OJAS from United States  
Yes, Bax.

When you see Ohio IP and Nigeria phone code, the overriding truth is NIGERIA!

Western Union / Moneygram will also be collected there.

Ohio IP has a simple explanation - An accomplice there / an open proxy / forged IP. I once had a Mugu mail I traced to a public school in Illinois.

@Newbies, it's easy to reconcile various cities.

When the money letter arrives, ask for their passport like DOC does, and add it to your report. When the forged passport arrives, ask him to send a photo holding a picture of "herself" in front of a post office, clearly showing the postal / zip code!

You will see how fast he attacks your trust and the "love" evaporates!
2013-05-20, 23:09:11
anonymous from Pakistan  
Hey everybody i too recieved email from some Diane she narrated the same story Initially ithought to be helpful in resolving her issue to the possible through embassy or foreign office.But through your recorded mails i came to know about the scam God may bless you all and be safe



Regards Iqbal
2013-05-23, 13:05:27
anonymous from Colombia  
be careful this ukranian woman is a scammer she was asking money to me
we exchanged letters for a few weeks and finally said she needs money for tickets
beware of this scammer, her blondamoon@bk.ru This is an excerpt from her letter I'M SO HAPPY TO HEAR OF YOU AGAIN, you rise my mood as always.
I think that you desire our meeting as I am and you help me with my coming
,I'm ready to visit you and build serious relations, i do not want to be alone anymore
I want to love and be loved, I feel that you want the same
We need just some time to prepare my documents and then be happy together
I like to cook and our living together will be pleasant for both, I discuss my coming with my friends and they are a little bit envy with me becuase I have found such good man in the Internet.First I think that it not possible- finding man in the Internet who csn be your destiny, but now I really believ in fairy tales and hope you will do.
kiss you.
hug you.
can't wait.
Please arrange my passport first it costs 101 USD then in 10 days once it arranged we will start to do visa. For sending me money you can go to the bank and do it by Western Union System. It is the most
comfortable way for me. I can receive money in the same day and at
once go to bye passport and visa. I want hurry up with it and don't want
to waste any minutes in it. For sending your money you need my address
and full name.


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2013-05-24, 16:41:39
anonymous from United States  
joseph_dunforrd@hotmail.com; he is a fake?
2013-05-24, 18:34:27
Miss Marple from United States  
RE:joseph_dunforrd@hotmail.com

Yes it is a scammer from Ghana behind that emailaddress reported on this site as April already .Please block the scammer and do not inform the scammer what you know,just let the scammer wonder instead.Link here below you will find more info.

Dating scammer Gral. Joseph F. Dunford Jr.
http://www.delphifa...shtml?p=0
2013-05-29, 04:41:34
from United States  
rating
JUST A FRESH ONE!! HE HAVE GOT ME SCAM, HE IS IN AUSTRALIA, HIS NAME IS MICK SCENER, I WISH I KNOW HOW TO UPLOAD A PICTURE SO I CAN LET THE WHOLE WORLD SEE THE DUDE, THIS IS HIS PICTURE! HE MUST BE AN EX CONVICT!!!


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2013-05-30, 02:27:30
anonymous from Australia  
2013-05-31, 01:07:15
anonymous  
the picture 'was probably stolen from behind and Blueyed cass but' this one man, a con man who uses photos and videos of pornstars uses, for movies using a fake web cam, and 'present with different profiles and photos on tuttto or network like face book, badoo, ovoo and skpe, if you can write more, in paticolar way his email and phone number if he acted alone thank you very much
2013-06-11, 01:47:52
anonymous  
attention I need information on a face book and 'present a profile of cassandra lewis uses photos of cassandra cass blue yed pornosta uses, and has about 400 friends, writes to live in the USA, I have doubts about this listing if any friend has some information thanks
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